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JANUARY 2008 LETTERS TO THE EDITOR |
January 31, 2008
Apologies about the language so please edit as appropriate…but the swearing is part of the answer. An open letter in response to the analysis going on for this up coming game. And this applies to other media groups not necessarily here. – The Patriots are good, great even, they're even too good...the modern day Montana at QB and the modern day Vince Lombardi at the coaching position. Don't try and out think them or out scheme em...play em straight up and pound the living crap out of em!!! Keep in mind there is one great equaliser. It American football! It's socially acceptable form of planned, organised and worshiped gladiatorial sport. Embrace it and make the Patriots realise that in the first 30 seconds!! Make em think World War III just started and that they, "The New England Patriots", had the impression they were going to play a football match. Make em realise that ever player on the Giants sidelines is prepared to exchange his very existence on this earth for a win after 60 minutes. Make then realise what it's like to play a team that just doesn't give a darn about anything except putting the ball across the line in the most violent, rule permissible form imaginable!!! Scheme...what scheme, put one in place, sure, but keep it simple and keep in mind we have players capable of knocking the living crap out of anything and anybody on this planet. They've proved it already. Just give em the chance to do it again. I'm fired up and there's no question about it!!! -- Mark G.
I just read a great article on David Diehl. Rich Seubert said that he was playing a game, either the Green Bay or Buffalo where he was playing with frozen vomit on his facemask, sick as a dog. What a stud. Richie said he saw Diehl eying the sideline and told him "No, you don't! You're staying right here next to me". Funny, but a testament to the warrior he is. It reminds me of my favorite quote in all of sports. "I know when I've laid a good hit on someone when they blow a snot bubble out their nose"-LT I am so proud of this team for becoming such a cohesive unit and bringing back "Giant pride". As far as the readers who are still in the naysayer category, give it a rest and let them play the game. Show a little pride and be a true fan. We didn't get this far by mistake and all the worrying ahead of time will do nothing but bring people down. We beat the best our conference had to throw at us and we stood pretty tall against the Pats in the regular season finale. Why don't we all just enjoy the ride and get behind our team. This is a special time for Giants fans and I for one am excited. Go Big Blue!!! – Jimi D.
Bill Williamson in the Denver Post reports "the Giants invited Pro Bowl tight end Jeremy Shockey, who is out with a broken leg, to the Super Bowl. He hasn't decided whether he will attend." Meanwhile, he's already accepted an invitation to appear at Terrell Owens' "Super 81" party on Thursday night: http://www.super81.com/press.html Smells like lack of team spirit? – Gary W.
Too much is being made of the Burress prediction. He didn't trash the Patriots. I am sure each player in the game believes his team is goingb to win. If they did not, they shouldn't be playing. Also, since it is the Super Bowl, each player shoud already have maximum motivation. Thus, one opponent's comments should not be able to produce additional motivation. What gets me is some of the stupid comments that are made. One of the Patriots, I think it was Vrabel, in trying to indicate the Giants would be worthy opponents said they too are undefeated in the playoffs. Well is not that the case in all the Superbowls? If a team lost in the playoffs, it would not be playing any longer. – Albert M.
Should it make us feel good that Carey is the ref for the game? Remember, he's the guy who called the phantom 15 yard penalty against Toomer in the first Pats' game. Hmmmm. – Jim V.
I think Del Shofner, Frank Gifford, Aaron Thomas made up our most dangerous group of receivers ever. We were almost Patriot-like in 1963, totaling 448 points in a 14 game season. I believe YAT had 36 TD passes that year. Haven't seen numbers like that since. I also think the group we had in '86, Lionel Manuel, Bobby Johnson, and Mark Bavaro, was pretty good. On pure talent, I think this year's group is better than the 86 team, and then second to the 63 team. – Tony M.
January 30, 2008
In response to Alan C. the reason the Giants are slotted in the 31st slot is because the Patriots forfeited their pick as punishment for the tapeing incident against the Jets. So regardless of who wins the Giants will be the last pick in the draft. – Carflos R.
This letter is in response to Alan C. about the Mel Kiper giving the Giants the 31st pick. Alan the Patriots forfeited there pick in the draft for cheating earlier in the season. So it doesn't matter who wins the Giants still get the 31st pick. But that's OK, I'm cool with the Giants being the 1st team to win a super bowl and have the 31st pick only because the other team CHEATED. Destiny full fills itself on Sunday and there's nothing anybody can do about it. BIG BLUE COMIN' THRU....CHOO CHOO. - Dom M.
First...a quick question. Is Jeremy Shockey one of the so-called "locker room leaders," and what role, if any, is he playing in the team's preparation for the Super Bowl? Second...I can't wait to hear your opinions about whether or not the team has played better without Shockey, and why. Finally...you're being way too hard on yourself for having called Corey Webster a bust. He WAS terrible, and you were right in saying so. Additionally, a couple of decent games far from makes up from the many disappointments he has provided us. Thus, let's compliment him on his recent good play, hope he keeps it up, but NOT let him off the hook for past performance! – John K.
Plax- please keep your predictions to yourself... We've all got a lot to feel good about right now, but it's really OK to have an unexpressed thought. Do your talking on the field, like you did in Green Bay, and we'll have a shot. – Scott M.
My opinion of Accorsi is not greatly different than yours, perhaps it's shaded a little differently. As for receivers, as Jim V. mentioned, there were Gifford and Rote, I believe Shofner overlapped Homer Jones career a bit. Beyond those two pairs I can't think of a better receiving corps than we have today. We all know that no Giant receiver has made all pro since Homer Jones. – Paul C.
Hi Pat, I just want to thank you for the solid job you have done this year. It's disheartening to see Giants fans give you a hard time, they are all experts that know far more I guess (tongue in cheek) I think you and the whole Inside Football staff do a great job. GO GIANTS! – Scott R.
January 29, 2008
Amazing how a simple complaint like saying that Coughlin divulges too much information during press conferences turns into my not giving him due. Now THAT'S weak. What, we can't offer criticism anymore? It's obvious, even to the most dim football fan, that the guy has done a solid job. Doesn't mean he is beyond criticism. I still say he says too damn much. If you, Pat, ran a team, would you tell the world as much as this guy does? I doubt it. And, please, let's not take this one point of criticism and turn it into something more than it is. – Mark S.
Glad to hear you go back to Frankie Filchock, Paul C. That's how far back I go too. (But, I DO remember hearing the the Pearl Harbor announcement during the Giants/Dodgers game on 12/7/41.) However, I can't disagree with you about this being one of the best receiving corps we've had. It's just that I have trouble thinking about a better team of receivers. Perhaps Shofner, Gifford and Walton might qualify. And, I'd like to respond to you, George R., about Shockey. There is quite a bit of evidence in favor of Eli's playing better since Shockey went down. The most important of all, I think, is the fact that Peyton said in his interview, "...Kevin Boss is where he's supposed to be..." Where did he get this idea from? Obviously, from Eli! And, on top of that, it definitely implies that Eli thinks that Shockey awsn't always where he was supposed to be. – Jim V.
Hats off to a good Giant team with a great heart! Just as I feel Bill Belichick should get credit for Giant superbowl wins instead of Parcells I feel Coach Coughlin rode in on the coattails of Spags and our D cordinator. Following the superbowl I would like the Giants to replace coach Coughlin with Spagnuolo. We need to keep him and sooner or later another team will go after him. In Mel Keipers mock draft on ESPN he gave the Giants the 31st spot. It would be a great pleasure to send him an email after the Giants win (it could happen)pointing out his error in not giving the Giants the 32nd spot. – Alan C.
JANUARY 28, 2008 In order to evaluate Accorsi, I'd have to compare him with every GM in the league and I don't have the knowledge nor the criteria with which to do that. Let's not forget the role of the coaching staff. Coughlin's staff develops players, which make both Accorsi and Reese look better. Fossil and Reeves did not do that. My final comment is I wish Accorsi had done better, although I could say that about any GM. As for Rob's comments: I've been critical of Manning's play in the past. Like Rob I believe people citing drops by receivers are being unfair to the receivers. A wobbly ball thrown to the wrong side of a receiver is very hard to catch. Further, these receivers sometimes have made exceptional catches. I think it is fair to say that this receiver corps is one of the best in Giant history. (I go back to the days of Frankie Filchok.) However, Manning has played well of late. His passes have been much more accurate and the wobble is pretty much gone. His performance in the difficult conditions at Green Bay should not be underestimated. He did well. I'm not sure what his problems in past were due to. I suspect they were mental. I hope he is over the hump and continues to get better. I for one am willing to overlook the occasional bad game that he is sure to have in the future (as long as it is occasional). – Paul C. Paul, you’re being a bit too hard on Accorsi. No one is perfect. That being said, Accorsi didn’t do quite as bad of a job when he was here. Did he make mistakes? Yes. He’ll be the first to admit to that. But the bottom line is if you go and add up the number of moves Reese made vs. Accorsi, Accorsi laid the foundation for the team to be where it is today – and yes, that includes the head coach, whom Accorsi endorsed. And I would disagree with you that this is one of the best receiving corps in Giants history… they have the potential, mind you, but you can’t tell me that this is a top-shelf group. In our first off-season issue (which I’m working on in between Super Bowl stuff), we have some insight that to my knowledge has NOT been discussed by anyone yet as to why we think the passing game has come together for Manning. I think Stu has a new alias...and its Rob L!!! – Shawn L.
I was as big an anti-TC guy as anyone around here. But the guy has turned it around, and his players are playing their hearts out for him. At this level, all these guys know their x's and o's. It's all about hiring the right assistants and getting max effort from your team. If the biggest complaint is that he's too forthcoming with injuries, then you're just looking for something to complain about. That's pretty weak. Let's give the guy his due. – Stu H.
I was watching NFL Network showing Super Bowl XXI – Giants vs. Denver and heard announcer say Phil Simms great winning performance had come after 8 years of injuries, benchings, and boos. I hadn’t realized it was that long and difficult a journey; I now have a deeper appreciation of Eli. The Giant D will certainly have its hands full of the Patriot’s offense, but so should the Pat’s defense with the Giants’ offense. The Patriots corners are good, but not as physical as Green Bay's corners. After Plaxico’s great performance against Green Bay you would have to think Belichick will neutralize Plax with a double team. I hope TC features Bradshaw and even plays both backs together at times. I think Eli will have an even better game than he did on week 17. This 2 weeks before the Super Bowl is great for the resting and healing process of the injured but I’m worried that it could have a negative effect of losing momentum and the edge. Too much time thinking and not playing; my nerves can’t take it! -- Barry S.
What is your take on Eli being better now that Shockey is not in the game. I think that's a crock. Jeremy is a real force in the run as well as the passing game and I for one don't think the Giants offence is as good without him. With Eli's personality being laid back what would make people think that Shockey has such a big effect on him. It's seems to me as the pressure has mounted with each passing game he has gotten better and better, not worse. He played good against the Pats, good against the Bucs, very good against the Boys and lights out good in Green Bay. – George R.
Here we are all talking about Eli, but the Giants just held 2 of the best offenses in the league (#2 and #3 I think) to 17 and 20 points. The Giants defense has been the key to the postseason, but now here comes offense #1. I think the Giants D will play well, but even with an excellent effort, I don’t think it would shock anyone if the Pats put up 25-30 points. Its a warm weather game and I do not think that Belichick is going to get all conservative all of a sudden just because it is the Super Bowl. So my key to the game this time around is how aggressive Coughlin is willing to get on offense. Just to be clear, I don’t mean abandoning the running game...I mean scoring touchdowns instead of settling for field goals. With Jacobs, Bradshaw, and big receivers like Plax and Toomer, this team should be able to convert on 4th and short. I could go into a long winded analysis of the statistical advantages of going for it on 4th and short instead of attempting a long 50/50 field goal, but I think everyone has already read those articles. The important point is the Giants are most likely going to need to put 30 plus points on the board to win this game, and that requires touchdowns! – Pete L.
Do you get to watch the Super Bowl practices? – Tom F.
January 27, 2008 I have to believe that this has been written about in this forum and/or elsewhere, but Tom Coughlin is too much of an open book to the press when it comes to talking about his team, injuries, issues the are dealing with overall... It appears that he can't help himself. He describes the specific injury, i.e. which knee, ACL or MCL, practicing light or hard, this guy's sick or that guy has the flu. He just goes on and on. I have NEVER heard any other offer specifics like this guy. Someone needs to show tape of Coach Belichik's press conferences. This drives me crazy! Sure, this isn't national security and some coaches take this secrecy thing a bit far, but have you ever heard rumblings from anyone in the organization telling this guy to clam-up? – Mark S.
C’mon Mark. What is the big deal here? I don’t understand why you seem to be so bothered by the information that has been coming out now when the game isn’t for another week. January 26, 2008 Nevertheless, I am very excited about this years team and their performance over the past month. I know this is mostly my heart speaking, but I believe the Giant can and will win the Super Bowl, especially if they continue to play with the discipline and teamwork they have displayed in the playoffs.
I am also pleased because I do believe this is a quality organization. Reese seems to be a fine man and deserves the accolades he has received. I am happy for Tom Coughlin, who, despite his stern persona is, I suspect, I quality person and a good man. I am of course very proud of Eli Manning, who I have criticized myself this year. He seems to me to be a young man of real character and it is good to see him perform so well at this stage. I suspect that we may see a new star emerge in this game.
Perhaps Accorsi is right and Eli really does have that Johnny Unitas character. I am old enough to appreciate what that means. Win or lose, this is a team to be proud of. They have not only won some tough games, but they have demonstrated some real character in the process and I think that, in the end, means much more. -- Todd C.
Todd, I happen to agree with you. Football is just a game and I’m not going to get worked up either way for a win or a loss. That being said, I also have compassion for the people involved in the sport. I see how they hurt after a tough loss and my heart goes out to them. Similarly, I will smile in happiness when they win and offer kudos. And yes, I can appreciate the sacrifices these guys make., Sure they make more money than I can ever hope to see in my life time, but when you look at the health problems they have as they age, is it really worth it?
In response to Rob L.I thought that was the most amusing letter I have read all year on here. Face it man, Eli Manning has played lights out the last 4 to 5 weeks. That's even with inconsistent wide receivers who led the league in drops. Eli has been sitting in the pocket all playoffs getting hit in the mouth and staying in and making the throw, if you are honestly going to bash Eli do it elsewhere. You see certain individual's here know that they made a mistake judging Eli and at least they owned up to it, why don't you do the same. You can say he has been inconsistent, but without his great play they wouldn't be here without him. And as far as you talking about last weeks game? Eli SHOULD have been about 30-40, Burress, Toomer, Smith, Tyree, ALL had drops. Their were a few good catches, but they had to make up for dropping some EASY balls. Leave Eli alone, it's so called "fans" like you why I feel bad for this kid, Giants fans don't appreciate talent enough I guess... Kyle H.
Kyle, I can understand it. I’ve been saying all year long that Tynes would cost the team and while I have to give him credit for proving me wrong, it took a long time to shake the feeling that the bottom was about to fall out any week.
The next three letters are in response to Rob L.’s letter from yesterday.
Sometimes, no one is nastier to you and shows less respect than your own family; come on Rob L., Pats 40 Giants 7! You did watch the 38-35 game didn’t you? Spags will not let the Pats get anywhere near 38 this time; his secondary is healed and much improved with confidence and effectiveness; especially if Dockery replaces #37, who still stinks up the place. The big difference will be the Giant offense against a good, solid but unspectacular and non-intimidating Patriot defense. Eli the Prince will have a super day throwing to Plax, Toomer, Smith & Boss; and wait till they get a load of Bradshaw whom they’ve never seen up close. The Pats have been anything but ‘Perfect’ lately and the Giants are peaking; this should be a close game and I won’t be a bit surprised when the Giants win it all – Giants 27 Pats 24…that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. -- Barry S.
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This is for Rob L. Are you a Giants fan? Because I just don’t see how any fan could take an approach like this to his team being in the Super Bowl. I could maybe understand if it was for the Week 17 game, but it’s the Super Bowl! We didn’t get lucky and just play bad teams to get there, we beat 3 division champions and we beat the 1 & 2 seed and we did it all on the road. That isn’t an easy schedule, I could maybe understand this argument for the 2000 game because we were at home and well I didn’t think the Vikings team was very good. But seriously where is the fun in thinking your team will get crushed in the Super Bowl, maybe thinking it would be a close game and we would just barely lose but 40-7 jeez man. And Eli with 5 turnovers? Not saying it’s not possible but wow you have that little faith in your team. What’s the point in even writing on this post are you just trying to get other fans like myself upset and try and bring everyone down? You shouldn’t even bother watching the game if you think we’re going to get crushed, I’d rather you not. I will take one good thing for this and actually thank you Rob, because you are just like everyone else in the media every week picking us to lose and guess what we keep on winning. I am happy to know that even Giants fan think their team will get crush and I’ll tell you this I have loved being the under dog all playoffs and I continue to love it. So in that sense I thank you Rob. Last thing, IF we win I can’t wait to hear what you have to say about Eli and the rest of the team, because you will just be like all the other so called fans who trashed on Eli all year and wanted him out and now everyone is praising him. I have been a proud Eli fan all year and always believed he was our franchise QB so it’s funny to see all these fans come out of the wood works about how great Eli is. And if you’re not a Giants fan well then this entire letter was pretty much pointless. GO Giants!!! – Brett T.
* * * I wasn't planning on writing in but just continue to enjoy hearing the joy in most of the letters. But then I read Rob L.'s letter and what a downer. He may justify his feelings regarding the team and Eli if they won the first playoff and then lost. However they won all 3 games against the top of the NFC. I agree it wasn't just Eli alone but a team that came together and is playing great. They seem to be peaking at the right time and that usually gets you to the front of the line. The teams that get to the Super Bowl will have fewer injured players or ones that have other players step up and do a great job. I don't know why Rob would even watch the game expecting a score of 40 to 7 Pats. But even if that happens don't take anything away from either team because there are 30 other teams that would give anything to be in their place. Rob take 2 aspirins and call back in a week. -- Frank A. January 25, 2008
Well, just saw the news, perhaps we get to enjoy Spags for another year (another bonus for winning at Green Bay?), and, assuming continued success, he gets a well deserved spot with a team in better position than Atlanta to have near term success. Also, there is an interesting column in the NY Times Sports section under "The Fifth Down" -- "Tiki Talks" -- the comments in response are really entertaining. The quote "Fate though fickle often gives another chance ..." has certainly been a theme (Webster, Tynes, Hixon, and in a way, Bradshaw). Agree some of the comments on Shockey have been pretty low -- he has sure put his body on the line for the Giants. Feel a bit sorry for Favre (did everyone see him give Eli a hug at the end -- class act as always even under very emotionally disappointing circumstances). Who knows what will happen Feb 3rd -- "that's why they play the game", in any event it's been a great ride, and super to see Eli quietly but definitively answer the critics -- amazing how narrow the line between success and failure -- just imagine if had lost at Buffalo and didn't even make the playoffs. What a treat to have 4 extra issues of Inside Football! -- Alan B.
Alan, as stressful as each passing week in the post season has been, it’s certainly been a fun ride and I hope you and others will enjoy the coverage that’s coming up.
This season reminds me of 2000 when all the stars lined up and the Giants when to the Superbowl. Fassel was about to be fired and then the team united and made it to the Superbowl. They had to keep Fassel for a few more years before they could fire him. I thought the team matched up well in cold weather with the Pack provided Eli just managed the game.
I noticed that Farve’s patience’s ran out at the end of the third quarter and he became impatient and started chucking the ball up into coverage in hopes of a quick end to the game. The officials were involved in just about all the scoring drives from the second quarter on. The officials should not have been so involved in the game’s outcome but to be fair they hit both sides about even.
Oh how soon we forget, because Eli has managed a few games properly and didn’t lose the game he is now not the guy who held this team back all season. I will admit he has played better over the last few weeks but he still only completed 50% of his passes Sunday and used 3 time outs because he couldn’t get the play off. Of the 40 passes he threw 21 were complete and only 10 of those passes were on target, the other 11 were either off target or wobblers or both. There were a lot of diving catches and circus catches. The so called Toomer drop came in sideways. Very few of his passes resulted in YAC yardage. If you look at Eli’s season this year he has very little YAC.
He rarely hits a receiver in stride. I don’t know why you feel that you misjudged him Pat. I really hope the Giants beat the Patriots but they won’t and Eli will be picked off 4 times and he will have 3 occasions where the play clock runs out and he will fumble the ball a couple of times and his receivers will be credited with 6 drops. Eli’s stats will forever be associated with drops because he doesn’t throw a spiral and it is very hard for any receiver to catch a wobbler that the point of the ball hits one hand and the back of the ball hits the other. Toomer just drops them and Burress juggles them and sometimes catches them before they hit the ground.
If you have never tried to catch a hard thrown football that is wobbling you have no idea how hard it is to catch it. Bellichick also is a very smart coach and the fact that they have played him once this year will mean he has something special lined up for the Giant offense and defense. Pat I know you had lost confidence in Eli and now think because he hasn’t played bad in a few weeks that he’s turned the corner but expectations are very low when a QB manages the game and is considered to have arrived. Eli will be asked to do more on offense and he will self destruct again. If I’m wrong I will be more than happy to admit I’m wrong but the real Eli will surface. I think 40 to 7 Patriots is what you are going to get. –Rob L.
Gee Rob, thanks for being such a downer. Seriously, if you look at the tape even more closely, the receivers don’t always get separation (the YAC is NOT wholly the fault of the quarterback, by the way, and gee, with 40+ dropped passes on record in the regular season, can you imagine how much better Eli’s stats will be? And for the record, I didn’t lose confidence in Eli. Did I get frustrated by him? Yes, beause I knew he was better than he showed. Can we just wait and see how things unfold before we start this crap again?
I just get this feeling that the Redskins will wait and hire Spagnuolo after the Super Bowl. – Richard T.
Take some ginger ale Richard and that feeling will go away.
Apropos of nothing, anyone else notice how goofy Strahan's head shot on his player profile is. Looks like he should me on match.com not an nfl profile:) – John F.
Oy vey!
Do you know where and when the Giants will be working out in the Phoenix area? John G.
Both Super Bowl teams will be in town by Monday. Practices, however, are closed.
Do you think that the trip to London earlier this year served as a good experience for the youngsters in order to get them ready for the Super Bowl hype? I've not heard anyone discuss this angle yet... – Tom A.
January 24, 2008 Agree.
Are there specific rules about inactive and injured reserve players attending games either in a box or on the sidelines? I know its popular to be down on shockey right now given the success we are having without him, but regardless where you stand on that, there's no question that he is an emotional, heart and soul type, who I bet is thrilled with his team's performance. I'm surprised we don't see him on the sidelines cheering his mates on, so it occured to me that maybe there are rules preventing that. If there are rules and we don't get to see him at games, is he (or other injured reserve guys) ever around the team post injury? – Chris W.
I think the rules are team imposed. Coughlin generally sdoes’t want the injured guys traveling with the team or on the sidelines. Personally I say they’ve gotten this far without Shockey cheering them on…why start now? January 23, 2008 Sometimes the people in the Media just don't make sense. I was listening to Mike and Mike on ESPN this morning and one of them says, “Green Bay is still the better team. If they play each other 10 time the Pack wins 8 of 10.” Are they insane? The Giants beat them every which way. If you take the one 90 yard pass out of the stats the Pack had 64 yards in total offence in the first half and 29 rushing yards for the game. Total domination. Of their 12 possessions, if you don’t’ count the missed FG’s the scored on 50% of their opportunities and if Plax holds onto the ball at the end of the half that another TD. Add to that the phantom holding call on Snee and you can add yet another 7. Seems to me the secondary where the heroes of Sunday night. Not much of a pass rush.
Like the Pats, the Giants are finding different ways to win each week. I have always felt that Manning had everything to be an elite quarterback except accuracy. He has had 2 inaccurate throws since the Pats game, his pic when he overthrew Burris in the second half of the pats game and one throw in the Tampa game has been it. I believe the screen pass he tossed to Jacobs against the Pack was an intentionally thrown away ball.
I see no reason the Giants can’t beat Brady in the super bowl. I see this game as a pick’em. The league either has caught up the Patriots or something else I can’t identify but they are not the same team they where through most of the year. Heck, they could easily have been beat by San Diego and the Jets even played them close. If not for a few defensive plays they would have lost to the Jets. – George R.
Good points George.
I agree about Madison Hedgecock. He is awesome to watch and plays so hard every play. Great warrior and the kind of guy the need. He plays angry. SUPER BOWL!!!! I still can't believe it. – Dan D.
No question Dan. Hedgecock does play angry and I’m sure he’s intent on proving the Rams to be foolish for cutting him. In fact, I betcha he can’t wait to face them again.
As a fan who was never completely sold on Eli (as I express to you every so often), it's time I write to tell you I was wrong. After the TB game, I acknowledged that he had a great game but waited to see consistency. After the Dallas game, I acknowledged that he had a solid outing (punctuated by that clinic-like TD drive at the end of the first half) but waited to see how Eli would do during his one remaining nemesis: cold weather games.
As I'm sure you know better than us fans, it was COLD in GB. And Manning played tremendously. Never mind the numbers; they would've been much better if Toomer and Burress hang on to a few more well thrown balls. I again focus on (as I did for the last 3 weeks) his lack of mistakes. That's exactly the consistency that I had been hoping for all these years. I love it! Especially with the defense we now have, punting back to the opponent isn't the end of the world. Whatever happens in the Super Bowl against a defense that is very good at making good QBs look very bad, I will remain a believer! We can most definitely win with Eli. And I'm so happy to say that!
A few more game observations... 1. When Tynes missed the FG at the end of regulation and was lining up in OT, I don't think I'm the only fan who a) thought of what you said on multiple occasions, and b) thought of the Seattle '05 game. Two terrifying thoughts.
2. What a game by Webster. With the exception of the long TD to Driver, he played excellently. Even on the TD play, he got a good jam on Driver, but just fell. His play against Grant on the 3rd down swing pass was textbook. Also, I can imagine if T. Lewis were still coordinating the defense, Webster would've lost his confidence again and played like the last two years. What a job by Spags.
3. On a related note, our young CBs are becoming excellent, excellent tacklers. Webster and Ross are doing a great job of wrapping up. If they both continue improving with experience, they can become a HUGE asset to this team.
4. What a great game by Burress. With the exception of the drop at the end of the half near the goal line, he was unstoppable.
5. Butler must go! Every time there's play action, he overcommits to the run. Whitten got him last week near the goal line. And Donald Lee got him for the TD on Sunday. If I'm Belicheck, I'm licking my chops thinking about how poor Butler plays. On top of all that, he's not that good of a tackler.
6. While Pierce seems more and more to be a liability in pass coverage, when he's attacking down hill, he's quite a force. That play on the screen pass was phenomenal!
7. The Giants made several mistakes that were inconsistent with their playoff run (but more in line with their regular season play). Hedgecock's false start in the red zone, McQuarters' 2 (2?!?!?) fumbles, Madison's stupid penalty, and Tynes' shanks were not good signs. We may need a perfect game for us to win the Super Bowl, so let's get those kinks out fast. – Joe K.
Joe, if it makes you feel any better, I was wrong about Webster and I told him to his face that I was wrong.
UNBELIEVABLY AWESOME and still in shock!! Now, lets talk some important issues:
1) How did the Giants stop Moss during the 2001 championship game? Hope they chose to include that tape in their reviews.
2). As completely expected, life without Tiki and Shockey is a super dream (trade Shockey for draft picks).
3). CANNOT LET SPAGGS GO! PAY HIM BIG MUCHOS (like Jerry Jones did to keep Garrett). Spaggs is the FUTURE of this team. Because, look what happened when the Giants let go of their great coodinators (Lombardi, Landry, Bellichik, Shotenheimer, Groh, Fox, Sean Peyton, ...need I say more?? MUST HOLD SPAGGS. MUST HOLD SPAGGS. MUST HOLD SPAGGS. – Gary D.
Gary, for the umpteenth time, the Giants can’t stop Spags from leaving for a better opportunity if that’s what he wants. The only way I can see this working is if they promise him Coughlin’s job if and when tom retires – and Tom has given no indication that he plans to retire any time soon. One other point. I wouldn’t lump Lombardi, Landry and Belichick in with the rest of the guys you mentioned, all of whom have had their ups and downs (Charlie Weiss anyone?)
Bob S., you mixed up two plays. The fumble on the one yard line was an offensive play. Boss made that pickup on his own. The terrific play Johnson made, keeping the ball alive for the Giants. was a special team's play. Two tremendous plays by two rookies. I LOVE IT! – Jim V.
Thanks Jim.
Random Thoughts: I don’t know whether to believe my eyes or not! Corey Webster – a shut down corner or the beneficiary of playing against two injured star receivers and Old Man Winter? Is it reasonable to expect a lousy player to all of a sudden blossom into a reliable, competent killer corner?
Brandon Jacobs – forgive me Giant fans, but this 265 lb Emperor ain’t wearing much clothing! Sure, there’s one or two highlight 5 yard runs where he bowls over a corner or linebacker, but more often he’s stopped for 3 yards or less and looks indecisive and slow to accelerate. Why Bradshaw isn’t playing the majority of time and putting Jacobs in for spot duty – not unlike the situation last year with Tiki – is beyond me. How about putting both of them in for a few plays against the Pats; play action to one and throw to the other. Might give the Pat’s defense something to think about.
What with the Giants doing so well, I’ve been an NFL Network junkie lately as I can’t get enough of the Giants. Trent Green said after studying Eli’s 20 interceptions, he felt that ONLY 7 were actually Eli’s fault. The rest were on the shoulders of receivers running wrong routes or tipped passes. We already know that Giant receivers are #1 in dropped passes; maybe Eli was getting a bad rap all along. -- Barry S.
There are a couple of members of the Giants that I had completely gave up on that have really put in good showings over the last few weeks.
Corey Webster: I had completely gave up on him and although he still has been burned on some plays he has made up for it with some of the highlight films he has made the last few games.
Kevin Gilbride: All year long I've been waiting for him to get fired. But since the Buffalo game he has really done a good job of calling plays.
Guy Whimper: He's had a number of plays in the last 3 or 4 games on both sides and he's been unseen (which as a OL is a good thing).
In pre-season he looked awful, but now it looks like the scouts & EA may have knew just what they were drafting.
One other thought. Do you think there is any chance the Giants will set Spags up as an assistant head coach like the Colts did? I don't think that this will buy more than a year, but that would give him another year as a DC and also expose him to working with the GM, the draft and evaluating talent.
For all the fans that are hoping that he would eventually take over for TC, I just don't see that happening. TC will be around for at least a couple more years and I think by next year teams will line up to get him. I think the only thing Spags is lacking right now is experience. – Dave B.
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It sure was a great win and perhaps a surprising one. I've been one of those who have been critical of Manning. I don't think I was wrong when I said he's had some bad games, no he has had some horrid games. However, in the last 4 games he has played very well. I've not seen any of those hard to catch wobbly "wounded ducks". His passes have been mostly tight spirals with zip and on the mark. He's been consistent. Frankly, I've been pleasantly surprised. Hasselback on SNY, who was quoting unnamed players on the Giants, said the offense is better without Shockey, because he is a disruptive influence (my paraphrase). If I read the above correctly, Shockey is the Marbury of the Giants--a player of great talent, who disrupts team unity. – Paul C.
I don’t know about that Paul. One thing I would say is that with Shockey gone, Maning knows this is his offense.
First off, I have to agree with Burt, this was definitely the right year to get the playoff package. I didn't feel it was worth it for the one and done Giants, but SUPERBOWL bound? What a deal.
Secondly I have tried to be more level-headed all year long asking people to give the defense a chance after the start of the year (got that one right) and tempering enthusiasm over Eli after a good outing (certainly got that one wrong). We don't need to be level-headed anymore. Just one more game baby! Pat any chance, regular subscribers and LTE contributors can get press passes to the game? I'd be willing to carry your laptop for you! Go Jints. – Jeff S.
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What a great win from our beloved Giants team. These guys have been playing lights out especially Eli Manning in the post season, but I am very concern with losing coach Spags to the Falcons, any word as to what Spags is thinking, is he ready to be a HC or will he stay put and continue to make us better and maybe hopefully replace Coughlin when he steps down? I hope that the F.O does whatever they can to keep Spags around. We as fans have seen the bad in this defense the last couple of years and to go back to those days would be painful. Your thoughts on coach Spags and do you believe he will leave at the end of our season and if so where do the Giants go from here if we loose Spags? -- Ray L.
I think they’d recover Ray. For what it’s worth, I’ll use the same argument I use when I talk about Jason Garrett. The reason why first-year coordinators have so much success in their rookie years is because the league doesn’t have film on them. Personally, I’d like to see if Spags can keep the defense t a high level in year two, or if he came out with all of his tricks.
Like every Giants fan, I love the job that Steve Spagnuolo has done and do not want to see him go to the Falcons open head coach spot or any other. The media speculation continues and according to an article by Pasquerreli on ESPN.com today, the Falcons are specifically holding off on their decision until they have a chance to interview Spags after the Super Bowl. Apparently, their new GM Thomas Dimitroff has some history with Spags from a time when they were both working in the World League together in the early 90s (Spags was a d line and specials coach with Barcelona in 92).
Despite all the rumors, is there really any evidence from Spags or those close to him that he is even interested in becoming a head coach? I know a lot of people just assume every assistant wants to be a head coach -- maybe partly because the money is usually better (though Jason Garret's new deal with the Boys likely changes the pay dynamic a little for assistants going forward).
Selfishly, I'm hoping that Spags is not dead set on being a head coach -- at least not yet anyway. In NFL head coaching terms, he's relatively young (even though even that dynamic has changed a bit in the NFL in the last few years too) -- he's not even 50 yet. Even if he is interested, it's not a given he'll be successful. It may be a big mistake for Spags to make the jump to head coach right now, especially to Atlanta, where they are still missing a lot of pieces. Being head coach is entirely different than being a defensive coordinator.
Check Spags on Wikipedia and his resume begins in 82 with over a dozen jobs -- never a head guy on every level. He's been a very good first year NFL defensive coordinator. He's done very well with a good set of pieces given to him by Acorsi and Reese and Coughlin to a degree. I really hope he rides this job out for a little and keeps the core group in tact and getting better -- would set us up nicely for the future and give him a good foundation for continued success here in a high profile spot. A few years from now, perhaps the Giants head job is opened to him. Some of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL have never been head coaches and have perfected their craft over long careers. Two of the best today are Kiffin in Tampa and Johnson in Philly.
For the Giants sake, I hope Spags aspires to be one of those guys for now, rather than use his one year of DC success and try to turn it into a quick HC payday. Do you have any additional insight as Spags aspirations -- little things you've heard and pieced together that give you even a gut feeling for what he might wind up doing for next year? Thanks and keep up the great work. Inside Football is the best and a must subscribe for any Giants fan. Those of us smart enough to pay, are really getting our money's worth this postseason. – Chris W.
Chris, first thanks for the kudos. Wait until you see what we have planned for Super Bowl week (I’m tired just thinking about it – no, wait, I’m tired after only getting 90 minutes of sleep last night…never mind). As for Spages, see my response to the letter above. Right now Spags is focused on the task at hand – he’s been a class act all the way.
There are a lot of things that we can credit for the turnaround in the team this year. To me what has been the overwhelming difference is DC Steve Spagnuolo. Just watching the guy on the sidelines interact with the players is such a nice difference from Tim Lewis. It is clear that our defense has kept us in all three games this post-season. Now, I could go through all of the logistics as to how they have won us games and how the players respond to him in a positive way and much more.
Given the fact that he is already attracting interest across the league as a Head Coach, (most notably in Atlanta, and I'm sure if he doesn't go there he will attract much more interest in the coming years from other teams). Do you know how the Giants front office views Spagnuolo, and is there anyway they do a Jason Garret (match any salary offered) and try to retain him by any means nessecary. I think he is essential in continuing the success we've had this year. I'm looking to hear your opinion on the matter. – Ryan G.
I know everyone in the organization adores Spags and the ob he’s done. That being said, they wo’t hold him back from grater opportunity or more money – that’s not the Mara way.
Regarding your musing, "Kevin Boss. Boss came up with a huge play midway through the third quarter when Boss fell on a Brandon Jacobs fumble at the Green Bay 1-yard line. If he doesn’t get that loose ball, chances are the Giants don’t win." You should also add Michael Johnson to that. If you look at the film, you will see him punch the ball out of Green Bay's hands during the scramble which let Boss grab it. Bob S.
Bob, remember that HM&M is written off the cuff so to speak. And this week’s edition was written at 4:30 in the morning while I was sitting in the Green Bay airport, so I’m sure I forgot some people (mabe next year I’ll let you guys vote for the categories so that it’s a more collaborative effort – you think that’s a good idea?)
i was wrong- time to eat my words. i was a strong critic of eli, maintaining that the giants would not win with him. they not only won with him but because of him. unsure what has caused this turn around (confidence from the pats game, better play calling by gilbride, not having shockey in the huddle chirping at him-who knows) just hope it continues for one more game and into next year. the defense has come up big and another player who looked to be on a short leash (Webster) now looks like he might be a player next year. kudos to reese for not only an excellent draft and some fine pick-ups (hixon and daniels specifically) but for also getting tuck signed before he hit free agency. -- Ron S.
It’s okay to admit when you’re wrong Ron (see my blog – I do the same). I admire people who do that instead of lying in wait ready to pounce on Manning for the first crappy game he has. I have a hunch that Webster will finally move into the starting lineup next year and either Madison and/or McQuarters could be vulnerable. Just a hunch. And don’t forget Reese’s pick up of Madison Hedgecock, clearly the best fullback this team has seen since Charlie Way. I must admit I really enjoy watching “The Hedge, the Hix and the Tank.” (Sounds like a children’s book, no?) January 21, 2008 Wow, I am suprised I didn't have a heart attack. Another great win by the Giants, all I have to say is I knew it. Eli Manning is the real deal, and if he has any doubters now they need to just get some medical help. This kid is a stud and rode his arm all the way to the Superbowl. The Giants gave that game away about 6 different times, but the better team came out with the victory. All I have to say is keep doubting them because they thrive off it. No wonder why they like playing away from the Meadowlands because the Giants just don't have faithful fans. Well I hope they shut you up now because they are on the way to the Superbowl... – Kyle H.
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Think that we should start calling Lawrence Tynes, L.T. LOL! Third Tynes the charm :) – Lance Z.
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He can be had... He can be had... – Kyle L.
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Giants 23 Packers 20: This was a game of redemption. I had placed Webster, McQuarters, and Tynes on the fifth level of hell only to absolve them and see them contribute to a Giant victory in the end. Buress with one catch in the Dallas game had an All Pro game. This is the game that Eli turned conclusively from the Frog to the Prince – he came through in spades and was the last Manning standing. Ahmed Bradshaw is the second coming of Tiki Barber and will someone explain to me why he isn’t getting the majority of playing time! How about that Giant defense! Except for a couple of big plays, the Giants had them bottled up and ineffective. To hear all the prognosticators extol the might Packers before this game was played, one would have thought these guys came from the planet Krypton! Of course, for the next 2 weeks it will be the Patriots who will be hailed as Supermen with the Giants having no chance, but that would be a big mistake to underestimate the energy and dynamic of this team. Belichick won’t make that mistake but I don’t think he can do anything to stem the inevitable Giant tide. Brady looked far from perfect Sunday and the Giants know they can stand toe to toe with them; only in two weeks they will have had a chance to rest, heal, and introduce the Patriots to Ahmed Bradshaw and Eli the Prince, who plays even better in good weather. -- Barry S. * * *
Well we finally have another super bowl QB folks. Eli Manning in his 4th year has taken us to the promise land. The New York Football Giants are going to the Super Bowl baby. WOW, its the next morning and I'm still numb, still in shock. All around good play out of everybody last night. Corey Webster has really really taken the next step and elevated his game to the next level. The secondary has all really stepped up except for James Butler he was abused on both TD passes. The guy bites like bass on a worm. I'm praying we don't see him on the field during the Superbowl. I cant believe how Plaxx embarrassed Al Harris last night all night long to. What an awesome game it was though. Who would've thunk it, Eli Manning goes into the frozen tundra and leads his team to the Super Bowl and could have possibly handed Brett Favre his last loss of his career as well as Brett ending his career on an interception. WOW.....Now its on to the Pats, who I might add did not look impressive at all yesterday Lets go G-Men. -- Dom M.
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I think my dad may be the happiest man on the east coast. He is 81 (does that tell you how many games we, his children, sat through, as children?) and has loved, suffered, endured, and sustained throughout the years! This year seems particularly sweet for the win. I grew up a Giant fan, and now am in New England.I Like the Patriots. LOVE the Giants. 'Nuff said about that. I whipped this little 23 second "bring 'em on" song for my dad. Enjoy. -- Sandy L.
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Turns out subscribing to the post-season package was one of the best investments ever. And to think that I was reticent about laying out a few bucks. Shame on me. Kudos to all you guys for the best regular-season AND post-season coverage ever. OMG, we're going to the SB!!!! – Burt D.
Thanks Burt. Fort hose of you wondering, it’s not too late to subscribe to our post season coverage. We have a big time bonanza planned for Super Bowl week. I’m talking a LOT of stuff.
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Hi Pat, I hope you have thawed out after your trip to Green Bay. Sundays game was as exciting as the Frisco game back in 91. I don't know how many times I though of your comment that Tynes would lose a game for the Giants, then he goes out and makes the hardest of the last three attempts. I also think the cold affected the Packers more than the Giants. Favre looked miserable the entire game where as Eli was calm and collected, he sure showed his poise the entire game. Any way on to the next "road game", in Arizona--Go Giants. – Phil G.
Interesting that Green Bay spent this past week practicing indoors from what I heard while the Giants were outside. Kind of ironic, isn’t it? January 19, 2008 Lessons from the ancient past concerning this playoff game? A few things that come to mind. Second half of the 1980s, maybe 1988: Cincinnati comes to Giants Stadium in December. It's snowing pretty hard, and is quite cold. On the first play from scrimmage, the Giants put an all-out blitz on Ken Anderson, but the Bengals' QB drops deep and unloads the ball far downfield, with the Giants' cornerback in single coverage. The Bengals' wide out beats his man with ease, and takes the ball into the end zone for an 80-yard TD on the opening play. The field became progressively more treacherous after that, and the Giants were never able to make up the early deficit. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Packers go for it all on the very first play, if not the first series. An early lead of any kind would be priceless, with the field conditions worsening steadily, as they are bound to do (if not from snow, then from mud and mucked-up grass as the players run around on the thawed-out turf). Then again, I'm remembering another cold game in which Meggett slips a tackle in Denver and goes the distance in the fourth quarter to give the Giants a snowy 14-7 win, sometime around 1991. The point is that people are talking about the Giants grinding it out at Lambeau, but in the cold the field will be slippery, the Giants' cornerbacks are suspect, to put it kindly, and some of the Packers' receivers have real breakaway speed. One or two slip-ups and/or broken tackles will be enough to determine the outcome. Finally, though, for consolation let's remember the Giants' first Super bowl win. Of the four starting DB's, two were Herb Welch and Elvis Patterson, not exactly paragons of the fine art of pass coverage, and possibly undrafted free agents both. It didn't matter, of course, because of the pressure exerted by the front seven on future Hall-of-Famer John Elway. The 1985 Bears, perhaps the greatest defense of the era, were no different: their weak corners were of no consequence to the defense because of the power of the pass rush. So if the Giants can bring it full-bore against Favre, they have a chance; otherwise it will be the end of a memorable season, with no regrets. – Jerrods S.
I know that you said you saw something in the giants defense before the Dallas Game but couldn't discose it because it was for the premium customers. Can you disclose it now that the game is over. Just curious about what you saw. -- Scott T.
January 18, 2008 I don’t know. Right now I’m knee deep in the Green Bay coverage and haven’t given the off-season any thought, to be honest.
The Giants are looking mighty thin at corner this week. I'm doubtful that Ross will make it through the game and that leaves them with just Webster, McQuarters & Pope. I can see a lot of folks here suddenly think that Webster is the next Champ Bailey, but I think its more likely that he was going up against injured receivers the last few weeks. I hope I'm wrong, but it could get ugly this week with Green Bays wide outs.
I'm really glad that TC locked up his job for next year. He may have a few warts, but I have always thought he's a solid coach. Anyone who helps to make TO cry is OK in my book. With the strong finish we have had this year it should take the media at least 2 losses next year before they begin writing about him getting fired. I'm beginning to worry that we may not be able to hang on to Spags for another year.
At first I thought we would be safe this year, but after the incredible coaching job he did last week I'm not so sure we'll be able to keep him. A couple of other names I hope to keep around next year are Feagles, Strahan & Toomer. They could all retire or all not be asked back. Strahan & Feagles have been big supporters of TC and I think that on top of the great work they do on the field, the work they have done in holding this ship together has really helped. – Dave B.
Ross is going to be okay. Madison will most likely dress, but probably won’t start. If they get a good pass rush, they should be okay. And remember, if they win, Spags most likely won’t be going anywhere this year. January 17, 2008
Great reply to Todd C.I didn't see this great effort coming from this team. But like most Giant fans, I never lost the faith. No matter what, these playoff wins are very special, especially the Dallas victory. I don't care what the media people say, Thats why I subscribe to Inside Football. Great job. —Archie F.
I have mixed feelings about the weather situation. I'm not sure how cold weather effects guys going at full speed, but the forecast keeps dipping hellishly colder as the days go by. Sure, everybody has to play in it. But as optomistic as I can be, in the back of my mind I'm thinking the Packers are ready for this and we could be in for it. Hopefully, we have a running game anywhere near the level we did in Buffalo. Hopefully, Eli's problem is the Meadowlands wind and not simply cold weather. Hopefully our 40+ drops aren't highlighted in the stinging weather...One other observation. Why are our guys running around in thick sleeves during practice? Take them off! It was "only" (this coming from a sunny Californian!) 40 degrees! Wait until the weather hits -5 before you put the sleeves on! – Jeff H.
Ok, I've heard enough. I have never seen such an ungracious losing team as the Dallas Cowboys. Wade Phillips says they were the better team. Well, they were not the best team THAT day. The receivers who had the dropsies were not the best receivers THAT day. The better team is always the team that executes its plays better and makes less mistakes, and that was our team THAT day. Whatever happened to congratulating the other team for their play THAT day? Dallas had already won the game in their mind and don't seem prepared to accept that they were beaten. Beaten by a patchwork secondary. Beaten by their lack of discipline. Beaten by their own overblown egos. Beaten by a better Giants team on THAT day. The Giants showed up to play THAT day. Not as a team of stars but a TEAM, period. This is the most cohesive bunch I have witnessed since the '80's teams that took the field in the meadowlands for 8 Sundays a season. Tony Romo didn't like some of the calls by the officials and every talking head in the business had their collective noses up the "Boys" behinds. I can't say that I'm a fan of the trash talk that went on after the game, but I have to admit to enjoying rubbing some Dallas fans nose in it when the game was all but decided. I heard them yell "let em play!!" after many of the penalties levied against their fattened-by-feeding-off-the-hype heroes. I was just repeating their sentiment as I was yelling "LET 'EM PLAY, LET 'EM PLAY!!!!" over and over. As far as my NY Football Giants on Sunday in Green Bay.... Let 'em play. – Jimi D.
January 15, 2008
See Steve? As someone who I recall was worried tht this franchise was in trouble because of Reese, Coughlin, Manning, etc.,, it seems you worried for nothing.
For all the criticism we as Giant fans have done this year (and I am guilty as well as anyone), we need to stand up for this team now and challenge some of the pathetic media coverage that has followed this game. The Giants played an outstanding game that was above all a team win, reminiscent of what New England has done for years. Instead of complimenting the Giants or recognizing their superb effort, all I keep seeing is never-ending coverage about the Cowboys.
I keep seeing Phillips saying they "out played” the Giants, Romo moping through an interview for the 12th time, and TO crying 24/7. In the USA Today, there in an article on the game and below it, an article on the poor Cowboys. You know, they have not won a playoff game since 1996--it just breaks your heart! To me it just shows how facile and simplistic the media has become in this country. Just because Tom Coughlin does not give the media emotional meltdowns or snappy sound bites, networks all but ignore him.
The winning team is all but ignored, but we keep seeing the losing team go through some sort of post game bereavement ceremony. It kinda makes me sick. On ESPN, I listened to 20 minutes or more of how Romo needs to understand his role as the Cowboy quarterback. Not one commentator noted how the Giants adjusted in the second half to a very good offense and played the defensive half of the year, not to mention doing this with three of their cornerbacks hurt.
Good grief, they had a guy from the practice squad back there. Perhaps there were a couple missed passes in the second half, but if you listened to the "experts" you would think that the Giants lucked into winning this game and were just standing around waiting for another Jessica Simpson sighting. This team played its guts out. This coaching staff was not perfect, but they had a good game plan and had this team ready for one of the best teams in the NFL. The offense followed a 10 minute Parcell-like drive by the Cowboys and tied the score in 48 seconds. Hey, maybe this Manning kid is not so bad! This team deserves some credit and Giant fans should get on these networks for there miserable coverage in the post game.
This team showed great character which in my mine, is more valuable than great talent. Not since 1990, when the Giants beat SF, without Phil Simms, have I seen a more determined defensive effort. It would be nice if some "expert" recognized this. I know your analysis of the game and the Giants will be thoughtful and reasonable, like always--but I must say the disrespect demonstrated by the national sports media has really offended me. Thanks for letting me get this off my chest. A proud Giant fan, Todd C.
Todd, as I have said numerous times, WHO CARES what the national media has to say? Remember, they’re not with the team every week; the beat people are. Who are you going to believe, some talking head who sits in a cushy studio and reads off a teleprompter or the beat people who have their finger on the team’s pulse?
Are the Giants practicing outside this week? They should? They need to get used to the cold. Especially Eli. His QB rating goes down as the weather gets colder. He should practive with gloves, otherwise he is going to fumble. – Greg W.
Don’t know yet. Practice doesn’t start till tomorrow.
What do you think of the philosophy that with the injury to Shockey, it created a simpler offensive game plan because they now had to rely more heavily on rookies. (boss, smith, bradshaw). This simpler game plan has allowed Eli spread the ball around specifically on the short and intermediate routes to more guys instead of force feeding Shockey. I dont have the exact stats but a large number of Eli's interceptions were in the direction of Shockey. – Scott V.
I don’t know Scott. It’s interesting, but I find it hard to believe that they simplified things that much just because of one player.
I think it was a great team victory. The defense won another game and Eli didn’t give away the effort. I saw something at the beginning of the second quarter that continued through out the game. Romo wasn’t able to throw the ball more than 10 yards without a running start. If he threw without a running start the pass would wobble. The receivers dropped most of the short wobblers and the long passes were wobbly and short. I remember reading about a month ago that Romo had a bad thumb. He seemed like he couldn’t grip the ball right to throw a spiral.
Was there something wrong with Romo because what I saw on Sunday was not the Romo I saw all season? That and the fact that Dallas came out running the ball when the game plan should have been to attack a depleted giant secondary makes me believe he was hurt. The Giants seemed to pick up on it in the second half and changed their D to stopping the run and daring Romo to throw deep. He couldn’t throw deep and his short passes were dropped wobblers or way off target. What do you think? -- Rob L.
Rob, since when do we care about Romo? Seriously, can’t we just give the Giants the credit for stopping those arrogant Boys and not speculate as to why Dallas wasn’t its usual potent scoring machine?
Wow, what a difference a few days make. Last time I was here, we were doomed, Dallas will eat us senseless. One game at a time!!! Spags needs to stay as Def coord. No need to talk about Head coaching as of yet. Hopefully Mad and Dock will be back for next weeks game. GO GMEN!!!!! Bring your long johns!!!! – John C.
My guess is “Mad” is back but not “Dock.”
January 14, 2008
I've been preaching "body of work" on Romo, before everyone anoints this dude as an "elite" QB. I remember earlier in the season where you said you weren't sold on him. I agreed with you then and do so now. You also made a great point which has become more relevant. As teams begin to compile more film on Romo, he hasn't been so hot. Kudos, credit and accolades go to Spags and the ENTIRE Giants secondary who all the talking heads gave no chance to. This is turning into one of my favorite teams of all time because of their toughness. This team is mentally tough. 2 penalties in a huge game like this? Incredible.
The fact the Giants were poised and didn't retaliate after many of the Cowboys pushing, shoving and jawing is a credit to the HC and the rest of the coaching staff. Perhaps this team has matured and will only get better with the outstanding play of the rookies and all the backups on the team. That has been one of the differences this year. Credit also goes to JR for the best draft class from top to bottom I can remember. This is a great win for the organization and the fan base. Perhaps Eli can silence some critics after another weekly "game of his life" to determine if he's a bust or not.. That's simply ridiculous. Good for him and the Team. Go Blue!! – Kyle L. * * * Giants 21 Cowboys 17: I am not a religious person, but there absolutely had to be Divine Intervention for the Giants to win this! Before the game started I heard Madison and Dockery were inactive; I was crestfallen, there was no way our secondary could function against Dallas. Also, before the start of the game, I heard pre-game talk that the first teams to score in the playoffs have all lost…..so when Toomer goes in for a TD on the Giants first possession, I knew we had to be doomed! We won in spite of the fact that Romo was converting almost every third down in the game.
We couldn’t stop Marion Barber There were several Romo passes that should have been completed for long yardage or TDs as the coverage wasn’t there but for drops or bad throws. For most of the game, our defense couldn’t pressure Romo. In the fourth quarter the Giant offense went 3 and out twice in a row giving the ball back to Dallas and putting our tired D on the field too quickly. Well, my job for the week will be to pray for a speedy recovery for our secondary warriors and most importantly, pray to the sun god for 50 degrees and clear in Green Bay! -- Barry S.
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Well my prediction of the Giants winning 27-23 was a bit off but not by much. Eli played another great game and the Giants coaches really called a good game. The defense made the 1 stop when they had to even though they were getting torched for most of the game. What won the game was the score before halftime when Eli lead them to another TD. For those of you who don't believe in this kid you should start because he is the real deal. Just think what he could do with more playmakers, or |